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The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya
« on: May 30, 2007, 04:01:16 PM »
How did Kyon fit in Haruhi's quest for finding aliens, time travellers and ESPers? After all he was none of them.

Koizumi said the reason aliens, time travelers, and ESPers all gathered around Haruhi was because she wished for it. Did Haruhi wish for Kyon too?

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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2007, 06:15:53 PM »
You had to start it with the toughest question. Frankly, I have no clue but I can only come up with speculations.
The theories:
1. Kyon was the trigger who was supposed to make Haruhi understand that she didn't need to remake the world. Hence, his presence.
2. Maybe she wanted someone to represent the ordinary people.
3. Is Kyon really normal? Perhaps he too has the tendency to attract the odd (aka Haruhi) and that isn't normal is it?

See, all speculations. This reminds me of something else. There is a lot of talk about whether Haruhi is God or is it Kyon? Check this out:
http://bridgebunnies.com/?p=572

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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2007, 11:24:42 PM »
Maybe she's just attracted to him a bit...I get that impression after watching the episode where Kyon needs to go fetch a Heater...and also In the Remote Island Syndrome Part 2 where she tries to protect him...

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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2007, 12:05:24 PM »

I myself subscribe to the first theory where you say "Kyon was the trigger who was supposed to make Haruhi understand that she didn't need to remake the world. Hence, his presence."

Kyon the God - Bah, Hambug!

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Maybe she's just attracted to him a bit...

She is. I heard some where that in the novels there are more hints to this.

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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2007, 02:23:12 PM »
Ok...I've watched till episode 12 and I don't know if the show can end in a very convincing way, at this point...

I mean..not even a wind-up to the end...that is the weirdest thing about the non-chronological order....

Did anyone here GET the 9th episode...where Kyon goes to fetch that heater thing...I find NO sense in it at all..does NOTHING for the story...

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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2007, 01:55:58 PM »
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Did anyone here GET the 9th episode...where Kyon goes to fetch that heater thing...I find NO sense in it at all..does NOTHING for the story...


In the chronological as well as DVD order this happens to be the last episode.

Check this link. It makes some interesting observation on this episode.

And for once Haruhi acts cute ^_^


Btw, don't you think that the series should have wrapped up with the cultural festival episode, where Haruhi reaches the conclusion that life can be fun without strange occurrences.


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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2007, 04:35:44 PM »
Okay...Now that I've watched the whole thing, I'm reading the novels which good ol' clonic linked us to...

But I DO NOT GET how Kyon kissing Haruhi suddenly makes everything OK...
Izzat some fanservice that the makers don't care to be subtle about??? Ok, maybe not...but still?..makes no sense whatsoever

Worse Still was the dialogue

Kyon: Haruhi...Ponytails turn me on...

(that is what I read on my subbed version..I was like..WTF????
Even Haruhi goes- 'Kyon, are you Retarded???')

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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2007, 09:20:42 PM »
« Last Edit: June 01, 2007, 09:26:20 PM by Durach »

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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2007, 10:03:42 AM »
But I DO NOT GET how Kyon kissing Haruhi suddenly makes everything OK...
Izzat some fanservice that the makers don't care to be subtle about??? Ok, maybe not...but still?..makes no sense whatsoever

Worse Still was the dialogue

Kyon: Haruhi...Ponytails turn me on...

(that is what I read on my subbed version..I was like..WTF????
Even Haruhi goes- 'Kyon, are you Retarded???')

The kiss is the 'sleeping beauty' scenario that Yuki Nagato was referring to. So, to stop a new world from being created and to snap Haruhi back to her senses he needed to do that. Yes, a kiss saved the world.  :D


But really, If Haruhi was vying for Kyons attention in that way, would'nt she be happier in the world where crazy alien stuff happens AND Kyon gives her 'attention'?
Or I could be wrong...the scene still don't make sense to me completely

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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2007, 12:53:12 PM »

But really, If Haruhi was vying for Kyons attention in that way, would'nt she be happier in the world where crazy alien stuff happens AND Kyon gives her 'attention'?
Or I could be wrong...the scene still don't make sense to me completely

This is a little tough to explain but imagine the scenario that you and a girl (who likes you) get stranded on a remote island... for forever with no way to escape... You try your best to persuade her to go back. But she isn't interested... You're obviously not going to be happy... especially since she is the one who planned the whole mess.

It's the same thing with Kyon and Haruhi. Part of the reason why Haruhi had only Kyon with her in the new world was because she liked him and there would be no one to distract him from her. She is possessive, there is no doubt about that. But if Kyon is ready to acknowledge her feelings and since he doesn't want to live in a new world without his friends, does Haruhi really need to create a new one when she has got what she wanted? Him.

I hope I made some sense. If not, oh well. I don't blame you. The ending was left to our own interpretation.

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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2007, 02:47:24 PM »
Haruhi's disillusion with the current world had grown to a point where she was on the verge of subconsciously destroying the current one and creating a new one. Kyon kissed Haruhi to "wake up" and bring her back to the real world.

Someone mentioned that (in the novels) Haruhi decided to wear a ponytail, since Kyon in the "dream" said he liked her in a ponytail. But only for a few hours before she took it off again just to spite Kyon.

That famous kiss xD


Another one. What exactly happened 3 years back? Why did she got fascinated with the idea of aliens, time travellers and ESPers? Where did she get this idea from? I mean there could have been just any other idea which could have interested her. So why just this?



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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2007, 04:15:51 PM »

How would you interpret this series?

  • About God-Haruhi growing up
  • About the Kyon-Haruhi relationship
  • About the value of friendship
  • About the search of happiness
  • Some thing else (?)


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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2007, 04:44:25 PM »

How would you interpret this series?

  • About God-Haruhi growing up
  • About the Kyon-Haruhi relationship
  • About the value of friendship
  • About the search of happiness
  • Some thing else (?)



I'd say it's a mix of About God Haruhi growing up and About believing in the impossible

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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2009, 10:37:23 PM »
Haruhi's disillusion with the current world had grown to a point where she was on the verge of subconsciously destroying the current one and creating a new one. Kyon kissed Haruhi to "wake up" and bring her back to the real world.

Someone mentioned that (in the novels) Haruhi decided to wear a ponytail, since Kyon in the "dream" said he liked her in a ponytail. But only for a few hours before she took it off again just to spite Kyon.

That famous kiss xD


Another one. What exactly happened 3 years back? Why did she got fascinated with the idea of aliens, time travellers and ESPers? Where did she get this idea from? I mean there could have been just any other idea which could have interested her. So why just this?





This is a spoiler Area... so I can speak freely right?

Actually, three years ago, Haruhi got a new obsession to be different and hang around with different people, because her father took her to a baseball match where the stadium was full of people. She thought that if there are so many ordinary People then she wasn't hanging around with the fun and different people. Thus she wanted to hand around and find fun and unique people... maybe better... hand around with and find aliens, espers and time travellers, because they were not common... they can't be found anywhere else...

And do you know why Kyon is the trigger for this... ???
Because three years ago, Kyon (whom haruhi didn't know that time) told her that there was a girl like her in his high school and that she was also pursuing time travellers, espers and aliens.

I can hear you say - "Wait! How did Kyon meet Haruhi three years ago???"

Because, the present Mikuru took Kyon to the three years past and the future Mikuru asked him (when the present Mikuru was asleep) to help Haruhi with whatever she was doing. That's how they met. But Haruhi doesn't clearly remember everything from three years ago, except the fact that there was a girl like her in Kyon's (whom she didn't know that time) high school... who was actually Haruhi's future self (she didn't know about this either).

Thus, the (now) very famous dialog - "Have we met before?" in the First episode of the First Season Chronologically and the Second Episode Non-Chronologically.

By the Way, all details in this spoiler are from the chapter "Bamboo leaf Rahpsody" that is the First Episode of Season two or the Chapters 13 and 14 of the Manga.
I haven't read the Light Novels...

I myself subscribe to the first theory where you say "Kyon was the trigger who was supposed to make Haruhi understand that she didn't need to remake the world. Hence, his presence."

Kyon the God - Bah, Hambug!

She is. I heard some where that in the novels there are more hints to this.


Haruhi is now without doubt attracted to Kyon (By my theory), however, she will not accept and she will not give up. She will not accept because he is ordinary and she will not give up because he resembles like someone whom she met 3 years ago... he has potential to be abnormal by her standards :P

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Re: The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2009, 03:48:01 PM »
Yup! They explained that in the second season.

I watched first couple of episodes of 2nd season... we need a separate thread on the 2nd season ^_^

 

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